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The other side is dangerously wrong. They think you are too. But for democracy to work, we need to hear each other out. Each week New York Times Opinion columnists David Leonhardt, Michelle Goldberg and Ross Douthat explain the arguments from across the political spectrum. Their candid debates help you form your own opinion of the latest news, and learn how the other half thinks. Find the best ways to persuade in the modern search for common ground.

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Lynnel Fletcher

Great podcast!... and yes, they are afraid..... and they SHOULD BE! (Insert evil laugh) 😂😂😂

Apr 19th
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Masahide Kang

Has it occurred to any of the antiTrumpers that his behavior toward the Russians could also just as easily and reasonably as the actions of an innocent man? Given the much tougher stance that Trump has taken against Russia, much tougher than Obama, then by the logic of the left, Obama was the colluder? Remember, "the 1980s want their foreign policy back?"

Apr 11th
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Masahide Kang

can Michelle Goldberg capable of talking about Trump or conservatives without referring to them with vile names?

Apr 10th
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Masahide Kang

What's disturbing is leftists like Miss Goldberg makes statements like, "feeling the boot of patriarchy", as if that's some kind of normal reaction. Unfortunately, organizations like the Times gives a national megaphone to overwrought, hypersensitized activists allowing these abnormal sentiments to appear reasonable

Apr 10th
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Jason Huntley

1. What is the significance of video games and white nationalism in a debate about sex? 2. The hookup culture was strongly pushed by the Left, and specifically the feminists, as a way for women to feel more empowered sexually the way men did. 3. As Michelle demonstrated the Left has no answer for the incel problem other than men be nice to women. Michelle saying that a little bit of casual sex is healthy is one of the reasons there is a lack of respect for men and women and is a tear in our social fabric. 4. The Left can't identify a man from a woman, I'm sure not going to take advice on how to be a man from them nor am I going to take their definition of what is and isn't "toxic masculinity". It's strange I never hear anything about toxic femininity.

Apr 8th
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Jared Poulter

Did Michelle just try to draw a link between young men not having sex and becoming white nationalists? I am confused.

Apr 4th
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Jason Huntley

Jared Poulter Yes and no. A conversation that was supposed to be about the lack of sex in general became about in els and their unhealthy lifestyle. My issue is that Ross tried to point out that the study had issues and pull it back to a lack of sex in the culture, but Michelle (always one to be irrational) made it amount how men can be "toxic" and video games are part of that culture.

Apr 8th
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Alex Mercedes

I don't understand. we haven't seen the Mueller Report yet. So how do we know whether it was botched? let alone who botched it.

Apr 3rd
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Matt Materiale

I love how all the titles stigmatize trump. "is trump destroying america???"

Mar 31st
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Stephen Cardwell (Steve)

Biggest problem with Electoral College are winner-take-all allocation instead of divided proportional ly on ratio of votes. Having different rules for different states is foggy process

Mar 28th
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Jason Huntley

When David said Trump was a cause for white supremacy, I almost unsubscribed. Ross brought him back to some semblance of sanity, but that was so ignorant to say in the first place. It just shows how the Left love to gaslight and make inflammatory remarks. Anything to get a rise or make headlines. Will the Left be consistent and blame Ilhan Omar for the next inevitable attack on Jews or now blame Bernie for the baseball shooting? Gimme a break and be consistent. Unless someone calls for violence against a specific people, we can't start blaming people for others actions.

Mar 28th
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Jason Huntley

The Left will never be satisfied nor accept the truth of the report. The strength of a conspiracy theory is that it is unfalsifiable. Another example of the insanity of the Left. I would also like to point out the blatant lack of emotional self-control on Michele's part. She has called people "Hacks", with whom she dislikes or disagrees. The constant Ad-hominen is a clear signal flare of the lack of strength in her arguments. Keep up the control and thoughtful rebuttals Ross. "No Collusion" is a perfectly reasonable response haha.

Mar 28th
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Jason Huntley

SMSimon Umm... I don't watch the news, let alone Fox News. I don't have time for TV. I wouldn't feel the need to gloat if the Leftist media had done their job as self-professed objective journalists. And lastly, Mueller was quick to call out BuzzFees for their incorrect claims. I'm sure he wouldn't be shy to correct Barr if something was incorrect. Presidents get to pick AGs... So what? The summary gets to the point of the issue. I don't need to recite the entire Star Wars saga to give you the gist of the story. And as to the SDNY, as any normal and sane person would say, I'll wait till that time comes before making any idiotic predictions or wishes. DON'T STOP! BELIEVING! though.

Mar 29th
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SMSimon

Jason Huntley We haven't even seen the report, beyond Drumpf's handpicked AG's 4 page summary of a HUGE report. I think I'll take my chances that we haven't heard the whole story yet. Plus I'm so glad you came here to gloat, but I sure hope you won't be too disappointed when the Southern District of New York puts the entire Drumpf family (plus Jared) away for a long, long time. Cheers Fox News sheep!

Mar 29th
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Peter Chaloner

Srip saying semEtic. It is semItic. SEM I TIC.

Mar 23rd
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Eric Anderson

Ross, Ross. such a pathetic Religious excuse. "if you flip on abortion rights you werent really fully pro life" or if you leave your faith you weren't really fully committed to the "cause". what a lame arguement

Mar 22nd
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Eric Anderson

Eric Anderson Jason, Jason. what's the word of the day? Context! you are right the argument makes logical sense but what I am getting at is the argument is a straw man fallacy. people do change their minds or opinions when presented with facts and/or personal eye opening encounters. It is Biblical to be presented with facts, peoples's personal testimony and/or scientific proof and still believe antiquated and often harmful assumptions, I agree with you there

Mar 28th
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Jason Huntley

Eric Anderson That makes sense to me. If you're pro-life, you should be pro-life at conception. If you're a ture Christian, then you will persevere till the end. The first is common sense consistency and the second is biblical.

Mar 28th
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Eric Anderson

a conflict of rights between a conscious, fully grown mother and non born fetus? no Ross

Mar 22nd
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Baneen Almuslimawi

Eric Anderson hehhw

Apr 5th
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Eric Anderson

Jason Huntley mutual

Apr 5th
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Jason Newton

Does Ross understand that if you have a stay at home parent scenario like he describes, it is probably because there is a certain degree of affluence that does not necessitate a second income? He is suggesting subsidising the rich.

Mar 11th
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Jared Poulter

Jason Newton Ummm, I have a wife that stays home with the children and I am far from rich. My imcome puts us in the lower middle class. I have multiple coworkers that are in the same boat as me. Part of why she stays home is the cost of child care would erase most of the income that she would bring in, but a bigger part is the fact that there is huge value in children being raised by their actual parents as opposed to a day care. It is healthier for the child, the parents, and society as a whole. I think it is about time that value is recognized.

Mar 21st
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Ada Bruguera Riera

The Catholic Church is the institutionalization of cynicism.

Mar 9th
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Jason Huntley

1)I agree that we've moved closer to an Imperialist Executive branch and I believe that needs to be corrected and balance needs to be attained between the branches. This has been an issue for decades. 2) I'm glad Ross caught Michelle with the Caesar example. The democrats would be more than happy to seize power, regardless if it was constitutional or not. Trump is correct in saying that if he didn't set the precedent, the Dems would, but that still doesn't make it right. 3) How is Michelle going to call Kavanaugh a "partisan hack" and ignore the fact that just about every judge is partisan? Trump was right in saying there are Obama judges, Trump judges, etc. If you deny that fact like Robert's did, you're being insincere. The Left abused the Judicial system and the Right finally got their act straight and did something about it. If judges were truly all neutral, then there wouldn't be any reason to be upset.

Mar 7th
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Jason Huntley

The first half without Ross was like nails on a chalkboard. I am honestly interested in Michelle's view, but when she spits out word vomit, she loses any respect I had before I pressed play. As an example, how do you call Trump an obvious traitor and then try to explain that away? Just be more precise with your language and put your obvious loathing of the guy to the side for an hour. She took the AOC approach and cared more about being "morally right" than factually correct. FYI, you can't be morally right if you know you're being factually incorrect.

Mar 7th
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Jason Huntley

Ross did alright concerning the anger. Michelle wants to blame it on the right, but the left is just as guilty and I'm glad he called her out on the baseball shooting. She was either intentionally dishonest or ignorant of that fact and I'm pretty sure someone with her job should know. Concerning masculinity, is it really a surprise the majority of men in this country are confused? You have men being raised by in a culture where the media dominates. The leftist media of Hollywood and major news tell us that gender is fluid. That women can be men. That men and women as a gender don't exist. That we should be gender neutral. That a woman with a penis mean she has a female penis. Seriously?! How are people surprised?! Men are taking masculinity advice from shaving companies! The problem with the right is that it is full of a bunch of passive sissy men who won't step up and lead. Ross dropped the ball on this with his 'I don't know' shoulder shrug.

Mar 4th
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Linda Susan Erickson

Definitely, where's the Argument? The podcast is totally lopsided! 😡

Mar 1st
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